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[public.] enemy no. 1: Genevieve Fowler

HOUSTON BARAKAT tells us why he thinks Victoria University Queer Officer Genevieve Fowler is public enemy number one, following the PR disaster she pushed about alleged, but ultimately unfounded, homophobia at a Wellington bar.

OPINION: Genevieve Fowler. Wow. The idea that she is the voice for hundreds of LGBT students absolutely astounds me. She just seemed so keen to make herself their press manager and publicity whore. She cried “Wolf!” before even considering that there might be another side of the story! I’m all for supporting fellow gays and I think it’s really important, but not at the expense of suspending research, perspective and the basic democratic principle of ‘innocent until proven guilty.’

Whether she likes it or not, she’s responsible for inspiring, educating and encouraging the LGBT university community at Victoria University to be the best they can be, to be themselves and (this is crucial) how they can succeed in a university environment. Unfortunately, due to her penchant for being the spokesperson for the underdog and the apparently victimized (WTF was that Pride Week debacle about?) she has certainly jumped the gun on this particular issue and ended up with egg on her face as a result. The aforementioned responsibilities seem to have been arrogantly and selfishly suspended so she, as a representative of UniQ, can show that even when this is an obviously non-discriminating, open and inclusive bar she’s still super eager to build and drive the discrimination bandwagon on the road to nowhere. She urged protest before perspective, boycotts before balanced research and slander before sense.

As an LGBT representative of a UNIVERSITY, she is supposed to be encouraging the university ideals of open inquiry, constant questioning and frequent skepticism as well as helping other LGBT students to do the same. She is a visible role model for hundreds of LGBT students Wellington-wide, and upon this story blowing up she had a chance to connect with thousands of them nationwide. It’s such a fantastic opportunity being able to connect and inspire LGBT youth to do well in a world that barely accepted their existence mere decades ago, and it’s an opportunity that has selfishly and arrogantly avoided for the sake of cheap publicity and unjustified scaremongering by a self-proclaimed ‘publicity whore.’ (her words, not mine).

What’s happened instead? We’ve lost credibility because now the world knows we’re far more willing to cry discrimination before listening to the other side of the story. Cheers guys.

This is a bar that has hired openly gay staff for years, owned by someone that had close gay friends and family, in the city where Homosexual Law Reform was written into law. An idiot could have seen this whole thing was going to fall over, which is why I urged caution. And now it has, and I’ve yet to see a single apology be published on [public.]’s Facebook page from the thousands that were so quick to lazily label them as homophobes.

I bet I’m going to flak a whole bunch of shit for saying this and speaking for sense, responsibility and accountability of a publically respected figure that has shirked her responsibilities for the sake of a cheap and badly researched story. I’ll also probably cop flak from anonymous commenters that can’t stand criticism unless they’re the ones dishing it out.

It’s nice to see that even when we’re wrong, we’re still playing the fucking victim.

Now let me reiterate – I think support for fellow LGBT students and citizens is extremely important. I think it was right for Uni Q to be there for support the couple. But how stupid have you got to be to advocate boycotts, suggest protest and tell them to call the DomPost because “they’ll be gagging for it”?! Especially when you’ve only got one side of the story?! It’s basic journalism 101 guys as well as being common sense. Don’t jump to conclusions and brand people as homophobic hate-mongers, ESPECIALLY off the basis of a single Facebook post and PARTICULARLY if you’re a representative of an LGBT student body. It’s all about balance and reason. So with this I’m afraid I shall have to end with another warning; stop playing the victim unless you are absolutely sure you are one.

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  1. This isn’t the first time Genevieve Fowler has discredited the queer community, either. Her scathing and outrageous attacks at Andy for his justified criticism of the legalize love campaign were embarrassing. It’s clear to me that she isn’t qualified for the role she is in.

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    • Ayn Rand says:

      OK, James.

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      • Kelly Shaw says:

        Ok, Ayn.

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        • John Galt says:

          Who is Ayn Rand?

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          • Anonymous says:

            Hey Gen

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            Up Yours!

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  2. Lol, gay people are just showing themselves to be nasty writing this sort of nonsense.

    Yeah, go ahead, thumb me down LOL jk that function isn’t available anymore!

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    • This sort of nonsense is being published in a nasty website created by nasty people who like nonsense.

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  3. GEN NEEDS TO RESIGN says:

    Genevieve Fowler needs to resign her position. Lets make this happen! Anyone wanna set up a Facebook group?

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    • I’d join. Her name is poison in the gay community. I would join such a group in heartbeat.

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      • Ayn Rand says:

        Are you VUWSA members?

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        • GEN NEEDS TO RESIGN says:

          Yes.

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          • Peace and love says:

            Stop being so horrible. She did what she thought was right, if you have a problem, speak to her about it. Grow up.

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            • smiles with a grain of salt says:

              agrees ^^^ She made a mistake… a foolish one. But why hate on even a fool? Her heart was in the right place…

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              • Smiles, did your parents not teach to you apologise when you make mistakes? A five year old would know the appropriate response to this situation.

                Even if she did what she thought was right, she still needs to take responsibility for her mistake.

                The only person who has it in their ability to resolve this situation is her.

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  4. filthy mole says:

    Student politics has always attracted idiots like this. Thank GOD [VUWSA especially] is voluntary. until serious political, social, economic, cultural agents – who know how to challenge real problems start to take these places over I hope they remain compulsory. Mainstream political party “youth” wings like those of the Labour Party and the Green Party have been particularly disastarous.

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  5. It was obvious right from the start she was not telling the whole story and then the 3News interview clearly showed in her body language that she was lying. Now it is out that she has infact lied Genevieve needs to resign as queer officer of UniQ. Press officers should not lie to the the press!

    Now it’s up for the GLBT community in Wellington to repair all the damage these two have done.

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  6. Ayn Rand says:

    This is totally inappropriate. You need to stop using your soapbox for juvenile bully tactics. Grow a backbone.

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    • Houston. says:

      If anyone has been unfairly bullied or vilified, it’s Public. They were accused of homophobic hare-mongering on national news and in national newspapers. Do I see any apologies heading their way?

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    • Well it IS their website…

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    • HeliumQueen says:

      Ummm she attacked Andy by name in Salient last year when she was called out over UniQ stuff..

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    • absolutely right. this shit needs to stop

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      • Anonymous says:

        ITS BECAUSE SHE IS AN ARROGANT [comment removed]. SHE SHOULD BE [comment removed].

        [We know this is a controversial issue, but please refrain from making violent threats or defamatory remarks here.]

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  7. Great piece says:

    I’m a VUWSA member and will be pushing for her resignation.

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  8. Oh please, Public enemy number one? Is that meant as a pun? Which is worse – a Uni-Q officer who is overzealaous and has jumped the gun on process, potentially embarrassing people she was trying to help – or bystanders who spend all their time criticising? Queer commentators may have some understanding of the issues about discrimination but some of the Facebook posters sound as if they don’t believe that discrimination occurs or that the media distort stories to make them more “interesting”.

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    • Anonymous says:

      Are you serious? Which is worse? Definitely the overzealous UniQ officer who embarrassed people she was “trying to help.”

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  9. the only ting more outrageous than her actions is her peter pan haircut- who is she fooling

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  10. Houston. says:

    Which Facebook posters claim that discrimination doesnt exist? Links? I have a very hard time believing people would actually claim that, but as always, I’m happy to be proven wrong.

    I think criticism of parties who CHOSE to involve themselves to this extent is far more important, responsible, constructive and crucial than supporting overzealous Uni Q execs and students who jump the gun and accuse a business of being homophobic hate-mongerers. That’s a vey serious allegation made by a public, democratically elected student leader – I expect the same standard from her as I do from any elected authority, especially one from a university. She didn’t just ’embarrass the people she was trying to help; she embarrassed, charged and accused a business that hires openly gay staff of being homophobic and encouraged and organised national news coverage to that effect.

    Pardon me if I expect higher standards.

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  11. My lord the Gay community needs to grow up. We have still a long way to go, and i think we are a victim of media, the internet and history. And ill explain why.

    How many times do we here an African American / African / Polynesian, utter the words “it’s kuz i’m black” , and that is simply a bi-product of a lack of trust. As we know from history the “black man” (in America) was openly discriminated against by the white man. Neither side trusted each other and on many occasions blood was shed. Eventually they became “free” in a loose sense of the meaning, it took many iconic revolts, some martyrs, and a historic backlash.

    Its events like this that people in our situation are quick to parody. Our “freedom” is considerably new, we are all very naive with this new found human rights, and i think its embarrassing to be trumpeting off “its kuz im gay” left right and center. Some people are unlikable, or rowdy when drunk, or total cunts, and that a personality problem not a problem of discrimination.

    And that’s where the internet / media come in. the internet allows things to spread like wild fire, it allows people who are out of context to read the wrong side of the story , and blindly follow a wrong cause. And the media love this press, they wish it was real because it = profit to them.

    Basically we (the gay community) have accused an innocent women of discrimination, shown the city how ignorant we are and have taken a step backwards in the ultimate goal of equality and harmony. While i think Gen Fowler is a terrible spokesperson for the gay community at my university, i think we all share a bit of this blame. this is OUR culture, OUR future, OUR community, and more importantly OUR city.

    On a side note, i believe UniQ needs to stop being an Army, it is a support group for queer students, not a horny- vigilanty group, i think they need to be a neutral composed group of supportive and inclusive individual.

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  12. Is that Gummy Sue?

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  13. GummysPA says:

    Gummy isnt that onto it hahahaha

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  14. We all make mistakes – and we learn from them too. Stop being an extremist and leave Gen alone. She does great work too.

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  15. Disgruntled says:

    This is pathetic and juvenile. Attacking an individual is petty and does nothing to solve any perceived issues. Instead it denigrates one person in the name of “accountability”. She isn’t public enemy no 1 and so-called journalism like this highlights the problems with the queer media.

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  16. Great piece says:

    SHE HAS EMBARRASSED THE QUEER COMMUNITY WITH HER IGNORANCE. SHE NEEDS TO APOLOGISE. STOP FUCKING DRESSING IT DOWN AS ‘just a mistake’. SHE IS PUBLICLY ACCOUNTABLE AS QUEER REP!!!

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  17. These pieces of work are detrimental to the cause they claim to be fighting for. They want anti-gay sentiments to die out? How is that going to happen now that so many people openly hate all individuals involved in this petty defamation against public?

    I can’t think how she could have drummed up any more anti-gay sentiment than she already has.

    “Excuse me, the bar is closing in five minutes”
    “Its because I’m different, isn’t it?!”

    Heads should roll (figuratively)

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  18. Houston. says:

    @disgruntled: I’m not attacking her personally, I’m criticizing how she chose to deal with this matter in her capacity as Queer Officer, the gay representative for all gay students on campus. They deserve an apology for having their representative jump so quickly to conclusions and call for protest on this issue without researching it thoroughly first.

    If you take a stance on an issue as the representative of all queer students, you need to make sure that position is 100% unassailable and able to withstand all reasonable criticism. Even more importantly, if the position you’ve taken on behalf of all queer uni students happens to be wrong, you need to admit that and apologise to everybody involved, especially when the allegations were as serious as they were.

    These ideas are suggestions to stop this kind of thing from happening in the future and as a warning to future execs, so I would argue that yes, they do do something to help these ‘perceived problems’ as you so misleadingly call them. I would also assert that calling these unfounded, intentionally well-publicised and serious accusations ‘perceived problems’ shows a blatant lack of respect for the owners and management of this bar whose names, business and reputations have been dragged through the mud.

    So pardon me if I expect higher standards of research and ‘accountability’ from someone that claims and seems to enjoy representing all the gay youth of Victoria University, whether they agree with her or not. After listening to one side of the story, coming from two girls who’d been in a bar for nigh on 5 hours, who were asked to leave for kissing at 2.55am (5 minutes before closing time) she decided that’s all the evidence she needs and that everything else contrary to that was fabricated by a bouncer ‘eager to keep his job.’ She then sold access to these girls in exchange for publicity, coverage and exposure. She calls herself a ‘publicity whore’ – I call her a publicity pimp.

    The queer community deserve a better rep. Anybody who thinks they can’t do better or don’t deserve to do better is absolutely deluded.

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  19. Houston. says:

    @disgruntled: “Problems with the queer media”?!?! This is the only website I found that had balanced and reasonable reporting which invited readers to make up their own minds, which is why I chose to publish here. GayNZ STILL seems to think these girls were discriminated against unfairly because of their sexual orientation, COMPLETELY ignoring all of the evidence that says otherwise! If the ‘queer media’ have a problem, it’s not taking responsibility, lazy research and not being balanced.

    I’m a 21 year old high school dropout bartender for Gods sake and it absolutely infuriates me that I’m teaching supposedly intelligent people about the importance of fairness and being objective. Sigh.

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    • Ego trip much? More like this is the only website that would actually publish you because GayNZ.com decided you had neither class nor credibility.

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      • Anonymous says:

        GayNZ.com and express, the other two queer media outlets in New Zealand, are very, very conservative. This website is the only one that frequently promotes controversial views and isn’t afraid of that. Think about it. And Houston’s pieces are amazing, he is a talented writer with a lot to offer.

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      • As I’ve said before many, many times: analyse the evidence, study what’s there, then make a fair, impartial and fact-based judgement. If that’s the conclusion you come to, I have neither the time nor inclination to prove you wrong and I fear that by this stage I won’t be able to.

        Anonymous: Thank you for your gracious comment. It isn’t often somebody says something nice under the pseudonym you’ve adopted for yourself, anonymous kindness is the kindest of all. I appreciate it very muchly 🙂

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  20. FUCK U [...] ABOMINATION [...] says:

    HEY BITCH GEN FOWLER, U FILTHY FUCKING [comment removed] GO TO HELL AND BURN YOU [comment removed]. BITCH! U ABOMINATION FILTHY [comment removed]. FUCK OFF AND [comment removed]! U HORRIBLE [comment removed].

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    • FUCK U [...] ABOMINATION [...] says:

      LOCK THE [comment removed] UP AND [comment removed].

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      • Ayn Rand says:

        Andy Boreham; your moderation of only the swear words in these comments is telling of your general approach to this entire episode. Removing swear words doesn’t make the comment any less threatening.

        Sort yourself out.

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        • I am absolutely disgusted by this.

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        • Aaron and Andy says:

          Ayn, please don’t imply I have no decency. I know you’re upset that your friends are getting called out but there is no need to suggest that it’s because of my decency. Did you see the original comments? I removed violent threats and homophobic comments and defamatory comments, not swear words.

          People are mad and they’re allowed to be. Genevieve Fowler is an elected (well, she was the only one running) representative who needs to listen to what people say about her performance, and she’s stuffed up.

          Your blind support of someone who has obviously made a mistake that has rightly or wrongly caused a lot of upset is shocking.

          • Ayn Rand says:

            I’m not implying you have no decency; I’m calling you out for your entire lack of decency.

            First things first: if Genevieve hadn’t stood for office, then VUWSA would have no queer representative at all. Secondly: I wouldn’t class Genevieve as a friend of mine. I have had little contact with her directly.

            What I do know, however, is that in her time as UniQ President and Queer Officer, she has helped UniQ, The Girls Group, and LegaliseLove in BOUNDS; ask anybody who is actually involved in these groups (not the faceless scenesters who frequent this hellhole), and they will tell you so. It is easy to stand at the bottom of the shit pile and bitch away aimlessly, as you so often do. Genevieve, on the other hand, has the determination and initiative enough to step up and help out when asked to by her constituents.

            There has been a mis-step here, I agree, but it is not Genevieve’s fault. In being approached by her constituents and asked to act, it was appropriate that she did so in her best capacity, and with the utmost knowledge she can equip herself with. She has done so in this case, and it’s obvious. Unfortunately, Rebekah and Jennie (for whatever reasons) misinformed her of the completely accurate turn of events and have consequently come out with egg on their face.

            So people are mad, I see that. But there’s a difference between expressing anger and threatening violence. You’re idiotic if you can’t see the comments by “FUCK U […] ABOMINATION […]” for what they are: entirely inappropriate. It’s insulting to your readership that you would choose to edit these posts but not delete them.

            I’m not ignorant—I know an old dog like you can’t exactly learn new tricks, Andy, but it would be nice to see you try and unlearn your nasty, juvenile habit of needless persecution in the name of attention. It amazes me, often, how little sense you see in these instances. Gen hasn’t “caused” this mistake, as you state; Rebekah and Jennie were the ones originally contacted by the media after they sought attention for their case. Gen was generous enough to help them to manage the ordeal. That is all from me.

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            • Aaron and Andy says:

              Firstly, please don’t assume you know me, Ayn, because you don’t.

              Secondly, please don’t speak of Genevieve’s ‘accomplishments’ as if I don’t do my own part, because I literally spend hundreds of hours per year, easily for the past ten years, voluntarily on the GLBT community of Wellington.

              Thirdly, please don’t insult our audience just because you don’t understand it or don’t feel you fit in. Deal with your own issues; don’t belittle others.

              Fourthly, the media is a fundamental part of our democracy, as I stated earlier. I’m not going to delete entire comments which illustrate how angry people are. I took out homophobic comments, defamatory insinuations, and violent threats.

              Lastly, Genevieve is a democratically elected representative. She is MY representative as a student at Victoria University. I will speak up when I think she isn’t performing right. I will speak up when I think she’s fucked up. I will speak up when I think she needs to apologise. And if she can’t handle that then she shouldn’t seek public office.

              • I don’t think Ayn Rand was speaking of Fowler’s accomplishments in a way that belittles yours at all. I think they were simply stating that the Queer Officer has done things other than this for the university and the community.

                I also feel like Ayn Rand perfectly understands your audience, your site, and your views, as have I, and as have friends and acquaintances that I have linked to this article. We all understand very well.

                Perhaps if you feel you aren’t being represented as you want to be, you should stand for the Queer Office? I’m sure they’ll keep the seat nice and warm for you.

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                • Get off your high horse and ‘be the change you want to see in the world’, Boreham!

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                  • James F says:

                    Are you an idiot? Aaron and Andy both do far more for the LGBT community than the majority of these people do, and have done for many years. The list of projects they’re involved in or have been involved in is staggeringly large. Learn some damned history.

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                      yeh i didnt see gen fouler on stage at the bgo in auckland, i dont see her organising parties and shit and promoting gay talent online, i just see her spouting lies and crying victim, i hope gen […]

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            • Syn Thetica says:

              As someone who was involved with Legalise Love, she did it no favors and was on the verge of being booted out but left on her own accord instead.

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            • paparazzi says:

              goodness me, I’m a “faceless scenester”, because I frequent this forum

              Issues abound in the mind of Miss Rand, methinks

              I think I met you many years ago, and it’s good to have the confirmation that my first impression was accurate

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  21. Anonymous says:

    fuking cow bitch

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  22. Would it not be more productive to talk directly to Genevieve Fowler, rather than post on this website? Being a member of the VUWSA exec, I’m sure her details are relatively easy to find. Wouldn’t that be a more effective move, if you’re pushing for resignation? I doubt that she’d take the time to look at a website like this, much less resign because of it.

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    • Aaron and Andy says:

      She’s a student representative, reb, not the Prime Minister. Of course she’s read this piece and the comments; she’d be shirking her responsibilities (whatever they are) if she didn’t.

      • I think you overestimate the importance of your website.

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        • Aaron and Andy says:

          Not at all, but 2,000 – 4,000 hits per day, largely from the Wellington area, does lead me to believe our website has some importance to people.

          We run a queer website that is based out of Wellington and is significantly visited by people aged 18 – 25. Do you really think, coupled with our statistics I mentioned above, that a Queer Officer at a university from the same city would ignore a story about herself there? If you do then you’re both more naïve than I thought.

          • Perhaps Fowler has disregarded the opinions that are spurted out of this website because of her previous experience with the people that run it? Maybe she doesn’t think it’s worth her time, and after a brief flick through your most recent posts, I don’t think she’s wrong in thinking that.

            That being said, two thousand to four thousand hits per day is a decent number. I wonder why it gets so many.

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            • Aaron and Andy says:

              reb, there is no ‘previous experience’ except UniQ being criticised for their slack running of pride week last year. Public criticism can be harsh and can seem unfair, but it’s a fundamental part of our democracy and I’m glad we have the opportunity to speak up and say what we think, aren’t you?

              We get two to four thousand hits per day because we work fucking hard in the queer communities of Wellington and New Zealand to build and maintain a following both online and in the real world (events and fundraisers, etc).

              • As much as you do for the queer community, I don’t think part of that should be defaming and posting a piece that denounces and defames someone who is exceptionally important to the LGBTQ community at Victoria.

                Fowler was in a secretary-esque position during the saga. She copped the flak because she is the representative of Galbraith and Leadbeater. Could you possibly imagine that perhaps Fowler herself did not know the full story, that the girls were leaving out small but vital parts of information?

                As shown by this post and the numerous comments about Fowler, she did an excellent job of representing the girls that felt they had been discriminated. If she had been half-hearted or inadequate, the response now that the claim has been waived would have been a lot less severe and harsh.

                We can tell that she wholeheartedly put herself forward to defend Galbraith and Leadbeater, and unfortunately for her, the outcome was not positive. This does not mean she is unable to lead UNIQ.

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                • Aaron and Andy says:

                  I don’t think, for a second, that this piece defames Fowler. It is a very fair and honest opinion piece that criticises her part in this saga. A saga which has, rightly or wrongly, left a lot of people upset.

                  I think this mess, and pieces like this one, may serve as an important lesson to Fowler, in that next time she may employ a bit of reason, a bit of objectivity, and a bit more thought before she rushes to ready the troops in the future.

                  Don’t get me wrong, I understand where you’re coming from, but I whole-heartedly believe that people who put themselves up for public office need to act more responsibly than the rest of us, and need to cop the flak when they do something that upsets people, which is partly why this piece is aimed at the Queer Officer and not the two students.

                  • According to the Defamation Act 1992, for a statement to class as defamation, it must “lower the plaintiff’s reputation in the opinion of others, cause the plaintiff to suffer social isolation, and cause the plaintiff to be exposed to contempt.”

                    Of course, Fowler will now be a lot more careful about issues that she puts her name to. I thought that went without saying. But I am glad that you hope that she does have the opportunity to ’employ more thought before she rushes to ready the troops in the future.’

                    What I mean is, I’m glad that you have told us that she deserves another chance, and you disagree with other commenters that are calling for her resignation.

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                    • Aaron and Andy says:

                      I’m well versed in defamation law, reb. This is why I removed comments such as ‘slut’. But people who put themselves in the public eye (ie: public office) also need to be prepared for more robust debate, which is why I let the other comments stand, which, I might add, are not defamatory.

                • Point of Order says:

                  Despite what Ms. Fowler would like the general public to believe, she does not have any rights or privileges over the leadership of UniQ, as she is no longer a member of its Executive.

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            • That's right says:

              Reb’s right. The importance of this site is totally overestimated. There’s no telling if those 2000 hits are unique? If not, it’s more like <500 people tops?

              Public enemy number one? …Really? I would've thought there'd be much worse people out there who would take that title.

              Oh and btw, it should just be "public" not "[public]" as that's more their logo than their name lolz.

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              • Aaron and Andy says:

                Yesterday we had 1,674 unique hits, ie: 1,674 actual people. Besides, you seem to come here a lot, That’s right.

                • When you said two thousand hits originally (to me) did you mean unique or overall?

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                  • Aaron and Andy says:

                    2,000 – 4,000 overall hits on average, from about 700 – 2,000 people per day, depending on the day.

                    • I’m surprised that yesterday didn’t hit your top number of 2000. I thought that it would have been one of your busiest days for online traffic, what with your surprisingly relevant articles posted.

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                    • Aaron and Andy says:

                      Okay, I think you’ve made your point, reb. Thanks for your participation.

      • Ayn Rand says:

        Such hilariously-unjustified self-importance.

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        • Aaron and Andy says:

          Your use of hyphen compounding ‘hilariously’ and ‘unjustified’ is incorrect. A hyphen is not required to compound a word that ends in ‘ly’.

          • What a thought-provoking response to Ayn Rand’s post.

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          • Ayn Rand says:

            How petty. Your approach is incorrect.

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            • Houston. says:

              ‘Your approach is incorrect’ – what does that even mean? I scrutinize words for a living my dear and I can tell you that, even in context, that sentence makes no sense whatsoever.

              Also, it seems very few of you had actually bothered to read what I wrote because all of it reasonably contradicts, and logically explains why it contradicts, all of the arguments you keep throwing out in support of Miss Fowler.

              Why is it so hard to admit that she, and her supporters who dragged Publics name through the mud, owe the LGBT community whom she chose to represent an apology? Why is it so difficult to admit that Public have been vilified, slandered and defamed far more than either Miss Fowler or the other girls – and yet even though Public have been shown to be in the all clear and although the accuracy of the girls stories have been thrown into doubt, there are still people calling Andy and myself nasty names for doing nothing more than counseling balanced, reasonable and objective opinion and judgment?

              And yet we’re the assholes for criticizing a public official for not following those same ideals. Right. Go figure.

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          • That's right says:

            This is true, by the man/woman/thing (just being PC, lolcats) is right.

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  23. seeing as you deleted your thread on the public bar wall page, i’m going to reply here-

    actually andy, as you don’t know how to get your facts straight, as per usual, here’s some for free.

    1. i am not their friend, i’ve never ever met the girls.
    2. i’m not a student. i have absolutely nothing to do with uniq, genevieve fowler or any university.

    1) you’re still basing your “facts” on the 2nd hand word from someone from a media outlet. again, your point is flawed. you really think after all this they want to keep this back & forth of trying to prove to you that they didn’t lie by disputing what the bar has said YET AGAIN? i am completely not surprised they decided to withdraw their complaint. do you even know how hard it is to lay a complaint or even try to report a crime that not only marginalises you in your own identity but could potentially leave you vulnerable to the mainstream publics ignorant reflex to believe everything written in the mainstream media??
    2) again from the footage YOU haven’t actually seen how do you know he wasn’t watching them from afar? i mean if they were supposedly being “overtly affectionate” then it must have been a bit of an eyesore or did you happen to be able to zoom in on his face while you got to watch the footage?

    actually your opinion is biased and so are your blogs followers as you are reporting 2nd hand info from an actual media outlet and your blog followers are swallowing it up as gospel. its hilarious anyone could even call you a journalist.

    reeking of “female privilege”??? lol do you even know what privilege is??? haha you are so goddamn ignorant, its people like you that actually make it hard for the wider queer community to feel safe within this actual “community” when people like you are vilifying those within it without good reason. you are causing more harm than contributing to your so-called “community”.

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    • Aaron and Andy says:

      Actually I’ve since spoken with a friend in the media who viewed the footage first hand, Trixie. The footage does not at all match up with the story we were told Monday by Rebekah and her girlfriend.

      I apologise for assuming you were a friend of Genevieve’s, and that you were a student.

      I don’t call myself a journalist, and never have.

      I know exactly what privilege is, and it’s unfortunate that you feel I cause harm.

      • so its still 2nd hand info. yet again. point proven yet again.

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        • Aaron and Andy says:

          Don’t be so stubborn, trixie. Do you have to see everything first hand to believe it? I sincerely doubt so.

          • Talking to your ‘friend’ in the media is still second-hand? I am confused about your definitions and their consistency.

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            • Aaron and Andy says:

              Luckily I have friends who tell me the truth and who I can trust. It’s awesome.

              • Luckily your contradictions speak for themselves.

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                • Sebastian says:

                  Seriously, you girls need to get a clue.

                  You seem to think that the whole media is this giant conspiracy theory against these girls. Here’s a truth: They have much better things to do with their time. The girls chose to go down the path of trying to publicly ostracise [public] by posting an open letter on their Facebook page, and getting the support of the UniQ Head Honcho. Rather than being adults and trying to sort it out quietly, they chose to blow it up into a huge thing and then, when it turned out they weren’t telling the truth, they tucked their tails between their respective legs and withdrew, citing they didn’t know it would get this big. THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANTED! Why else would you make it so public by not only starting a rally on Facebook, but going to a TELEVISION NEWS AGENCY!?

                  Are you getting it yet?

                  No, probably not. Again, I’m probably crediting you with too much.

                  You can argue it until you’re blue in the face, but here’s a cold hard fact – the girls said they gave each other a “quick kiss” on the way out, as they hadn’t done so because they were around friends. Now, if this is true, why does the CCTV footage show them getting passionate for TWENTY FIVE MINUTES before going off camera and being asked to leave? (coincidently, a few minutes before closing – which is usually when most people are ushered out anyway)

                  Seriously, how dense are you that you can’t see this and think “hey, hang on a sec – that doesn’t add up”

                  You’re bull-headed, hateful people. You are exactly what is wrong with our community – all you want is a chance to see some homophobia so you can jump all over it and feel important. This is how boring your lives are? really? That you have nothing better to do with your time than to seek out shit like this, then bring it to the public’s attention with a – surprise surprise – hateful attitude? I read your words and they seem so septic, so full of disdain, especially towards men, it really makes me question the content of your character – especially you, Trixie, who just seems to be a nasty piece of work, not to mention a man-hating lesbian.

                  Oh, and lastly – it wasn’t Andy who deleted his “post” – [public] probably had enough of the the pointless arguing and bickering and decided to clean up their Facebook page. Which, funnily enough – is totally within their rights.

                  Go join a knitting circle or something. Your septic, spiteful attitudes sicken me.

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                  • Syn Thetica says:

                    Damn girl, I needed a glass of water after reading that. I fully agree though.

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                  • wow sebastian, i dont even know who you are or where you came into this arguement but you are so off the mark its too hilarious to actually warrant giving you a proper response. you had me at “man-hating lesbian”. hahaha if you’re so in denial of the misogynistic stuff that was written by your mates then you’ve got way more issues you need to address than trying to “question the content” of my character. thanks for making me laugh.

                    [trixie, criticising women does not automatically equal misogyny just as much as removing two people from a bar who happen to be lesbian doesn’t automatically equal homophobia. It’s attitudes like yours that created this whole mess. Calm down and think with reason.]

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                  • Point of Order says:

                    Ms. Fowler is NOT the ‘UniQ Head Honcho’. The president of UniQ Victoria for 2012 is Matthew Ellison.

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                • haha bang on!

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  24. I am surprised by the fact that you have removed the ‘reply’ button from some of the comment threads I was involved in. I still have many things to say on the issue, and will simply have to begin a new section of dialogue.

    On you being ‘well-versed in defamation law’, I struggle to understand why the article simply stands as ‘robust debate’. Even calling the article ‘Public Enemy Number One’ is an example of emotive language, and if you try to tell me it is a play on words, I am going to have to disagree wholeheartedly. [This is an opinion piece, reb. I don’t know if you understand media law but opinion pieces are entitled to assert controversial and just plain mean (not that this is the case here) sentiments, as long as they are honest opinion. They are.]

    – ‘It’s nice to see even when we’re wrong, we’re still playing the f**cking victim’. So not only are you attacking Fowler by the actions she’s taken, but you are also attacking the community who have supported her. [It might be helpful to note that I did not write this piece. Again, this is an opinion piece and it features honest opinion.]

    – I would like to know where you got the quote “the dominion post will be absolutely gagging for it”? I am genuinely interested, I haven’t seen this before. [This was sourced from Facebook. I’ll speak with the author of this piece for clarification.]

    – You removed sections of the comments that included the words ‘slut’ etc, but left in ‘abomination’, ‘filthy,’ and ‘bitch’? I find it hard to believe that this is fair censoring, why not remove the entire comment? There are other comments that have been left curiously unmoderated and therefore unposted that do not side with you, or your website, and yet these offensive remarks slip through? I question the impartiality of the moderator. [‘Abomination’, ‘filthy’, and ‘bitch’ are all subjective words that readers have used to sum up the Queer Officer in context to this situation. They are not defamatory. There are no comments that have been moderated except for the excerpts you see edited, all surrounded by square brackets. Feel free to start your own website and implement your own moderation rules there.]

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    • [This is an opinion piece, reb. I don’t know if you understand media law but opinion pieces are entitled to assert controversial and just plain mean (not that this is the case here) sentiments, as long as they are honest opinion. They are.]

      According to the Media Law Journal of NZ, ‘honest opinion’ does allow the media to express opinions even if they are critical and potentially harmful of someone. However, there are rules. The opinions must be:

      – clearly ‘comment’, and not assertions of fact. [It is clearly comment, as prefaced by the word OPINION.]
      – based on provable facts, set out or referred to in the story. [Opinions are not provable. They are subjective.]
      – and honestly believed (I have no doubt that the statements posted above are honest).

      Is the title “Public Enemy Number One” defamatory? Because it is the title of the piece, I cannot seem to find evidence that this is a comment and not an assertion. Again, if you try to pass this off as a (clever) play on words, I am going to have to strongly disagree. You have to prove that she actually is Public Enemy Number One for it to be not defamation. [Again, this is an opinion piece. Houston may believe that currently Genevieve Fowler is the Wellington GLBT community’s public enemy number one, and he is entitled to that opinion.]

      – Yes, this is correct, you did not write this piece. But as the moderator/owner of this website, you are responsible for everything that is posted, both the articles and the comments. Whether it is an opinion piece or not is irrelevant entirely. [I stand by the piece, and I think it’s a thought-provoking and passionate piece.]

      – Thank you for seeking clarification on the ‘gagging for it’ comment. It means a lot.

      – ‘Abomination,’ ‘filthy’, ‘bitch’ are not, in any way, subjective words. Unless Fowler is a female dog or exceptionally unhygenic, they cannot be viewed in any way other than negative. [‘Filthy’ has more meanings than the obvious. ‘Bitch’ is a derogatory word often aimed towards women. Again, opinion pieces don’t have to be fair.]

      On creating my own website? I’m having far too much fun on yours. [I’m happy about that. PS: How cool would it be if Genevieve was as forthcoming with debate on her criticisms?]

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      • I feel like you don’t understand my previous comment.
        [Unfortunately stand-alone websites aren’t covered under the jurisdiction of the Press Council, reb, but you’re more than welcome to seek advice if you don’t agree. Opinion pieces are given huge leeway and it would take a significant breach of law to allow for a legitimate law suit.]

        I defined the points of Media Law above. I’ll lay it out in simple terms. Even if an article is an opinion piece, the points of fact must be exactly that: fact.

        You know what? I’ll throw you a bone. Opinions are not provable. Fair enough. But according to Media Law, (which you have previously accused me of not understanding) opinion pieces must be based on provable fact. And how does one prove their opinion? By backing it up with fact (that is not subjective, as facts are not, and never, subjective).

        Genevieve Fowler is not Public Enemy Number One according to me. Therefore the ‘fact’ that backs up your opinion piece, is false. Facts are universal, especially ones that enter the public domain. Your opinion piece is not supported by provable facts, and therefore, under the rule of Media Law, it is defamatory.

        I think that the piece is thought-provoking too, just not in the same way you think it is.

        [‘Filthy’ has more meanings than the obvious. ‘Bitch’ is a derogatory word often aimed towards women. Again, opinion pieces don’t have to be fair.]

        Do have proof that Fowler is a “bitch”? If not, why are you standing by that comment? That also needs provable fact. You are responsible for the comments as well as the article.

        [How cool would it be if Genevieve was as forthcoming with debate on her criticisms?]

        How cool is it that you provide the option for me to remain anonymous? 😉

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        • Don’t worry, I am extremely aware that you are a standalone website. I’m not looking for a lawsuit, nor any legal action.

          However, I’m also extremely aware of how wrong you are in your practices [isn’t it great that you’re entitled to your opinion?], and I couldn’t stand by and watch Genevieve Fowler be defamed [as discussed already, she has not been defamed] by a petty article aimed at misinforming it’s hapless audience.

          I’ve had a wonderful evening corresponding with you.
          Regards,?Tasmin Prichard.

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          • As the author of this article, although it was a rushed one I went to certain pains to ensure that everything I wrote was a balanced opinion full of justified judgments based off facts alone. I tried hard to ensure that I neither misinformed nor defamed anybody, merely gave out criticism, as I would about any publically elected official that handled such an affair in such a way, based off Miss Fowlers actions.

            Would it really have been so hard to say “We are currently investigating these allegations of homophobia and seeking mediaion with bar management, we will comment after this invesigation and not before it” instead of making a public statement off the UniQ facebook page saying “We can definitely ge our protest on if you want! PS Have you hit up the dom over this? They’d be gagging over it. This is Genevieve, btw :0”

            Which begs the questions: would you expect higher standards if you weren’t friends with the one who fucked up? E.g. If Andy Boreham or myself were the representatives? Do you think criticism is a crucial part of democracy? Is there a situation where, with Miss Fowler acting as the queer representative of Uni Q, you would ever criticise a decision she’d made?

            Would you consider yourself biased in favour of your friends at the expense of accountability?

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      • John Galt says:

        I feel like you don’t understand my previous comment.

        I defined the points of Media Law above. I’ll lay it out in simple terms. Even if an article is an opinion piece, the points of fact must be exactly that: fact.

        You know what? I’ll throw you a bone. Opinions are not provable. Fair enough. But according to Media Law, (which you have previously accused me of not understanding) opinion pieces must be based on provable fact. And how does one prove their opinion? By backing it up with fact (that is not subjective, as facts are not, and never, subjective).

        Genevieve Fowler is not Public Enemy Number One according to me. Therefore the ‘fact’ that backs up your opinion piece, is false. Facts are universal, especially ones that enter the public domain. Your opinion piece is not supported by provable facts, and therefore, under the rule of Media Law, it is defamatory.

        I think that the piece is thought-provoking too, just not in the same way you think it is.

        [‘Filthy’ has more meanings than the obvious. ‘Bitch’ is a derogatory word often aimed towards women. Again, opinion pieces don’t have to be fair.]

        Do have proof that Fowler is a “bitch”? If not, why are you standing by that comment? That also needs provable fact. You are responsible for the comments as well as the article.

        [How cool would it be if Genevieve was as forthcoming with debate on her criticisms?]

        How cool is it that you provide the option for me to remain anonymous? 😉

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  25. Syn Thetica says:

    You people put Ms Fowler on a pedestal just because she has been called out on her lackluster handling of the situation. I don’t think she is a bad person (some of the comments have been too rough imo) but come on. Why is she immune from judgement? She fucked up and I don’t see her taking responsibility. These two girls (Rebekah and her girlfriend) have now come across as frauds because their story doesn’t match the CCTV footage and now the greater GLBT community looks foolish. If Gen was actually advising them why didn’t she get the girls to meet management with their complaints? Why the hell was the first action to spread the one sided story all over Facebook, then simultaneously complain to Public AND the HRC? This was handled terribly. If I was one of those girls I would be seriously fucked off at Gen for the bad advice.

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    • She is not immune from judgement is. No one is, especially in the public forum. I see a lot of judgement going on here, and nothing is stopping you from it continuing. She was not in an advisory position, only a representational one.

      The spreading of the ‘one-sided story’ onto Facebook was completely justified. A story is, without question, one-sided until both sides are heard, correct? And Galbraith went to the public sphere to enter into a dialogue in which she could receive the other side of the story, for as to it become a ‘two-sided story’.

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      • Syn Thetica says:

        …are you for real?! Let me wipe the bs off the second part of your comment for you. The story went on Facebook to attack Public, they posted and encouraged people to share and repost, lots of people then reposted the story all over Public’s facebook page. There were calls for the bouncer to lose his job, boycotts etc. The CCTV hasn’t gone public so all we can do is speculate on whether or not they were being disorderly. The problem is that until we see the CCTV footage this is a case of ‘she said, he said’. Maybe they should have taken their complaint to the HRC. Then we could get a definitive answer.

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        • Gen has sexy hair says:

          Evidence of either Galbraith, Leadbeater or Fowler encouraging boycott?

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          • Syn Thetica says:

            I didn’t say THEY did, “There were calls for the bouncer to lose his job, boycotts etc.”

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        • None of the three girls involved moved to start a boycotting campaign, nor did they want to get the bouncer fired. That fact is all over the public sphere. They withdrew their HRC letter because they wanted the whole saga over, and the HRC can take up to four weeks to get back to them. No one wants to drag this out for that long, least of all them. Your ‘definitive answer’ will be forever in the pipes.

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  26. What a foolish argument. “Second hand info”? The whole story when it first broke was “Second hand info”. Everyone jumped on this bigot bandwagon convinced that Public was center of the universe of discrimination. Was not all that info “Second hand’, or I must be grossly misinformed and unaware of the huge number of people who witnessed this whole event. To be honest, if the girls didn’t go to the media and were proven that they were not asked to leave because of them expressing their love, then I wouldn’t take offence. I’m annoyed at now how I as part of the gay community, I will look as “another gay crying discrimination” if I have a legitimate complaint.

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  27. I win!

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  28. antisocial says:

    I love the defamation debate

    Reb – who ever you are reading about the defamation law in isolation will show you nothing.

    As someone who has studied media law defamation is such an over complicated area in itself – least of all the fact that no one has ever tried to sue for defamation from a website to date [as far as I know]

    Also, I would argue from comments made on public forums – Facebook, this site, and other blogs etc everything could be *proven* as opinions based on fact as there are enough like minded people who have come forward and shared the view

    DEFENSES:

    – [the views are] clearly comment, not assertions of fact
    – [the views are] based on provable facts set out or referred to in the story and
    – [the views are] honestly believed

    And most of all, after looking at the shocking comments left on Public’s Facebook wall I would say they have far more right to file for defamation especially if they are able to prove this negative publicity resulted in monetary loss for the business

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  29. Sigh….

    I wonder whatever happened to responsibility, especially when one is in a public position.

    It’s probably the case that Ms Fowler did not intend these consequences in any which way whatsoever – in fact, given the support some people have shown in the previous postings, I am sure she had the best intentions in the world, and was potentially even misled, but let us remember the old adage: “The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.”

    This is not a matter of legality, but a matter of decency and of integrity. She used the voice of her office, which was louder than her own, without checking the facts first. She stepped beyond the scope of her office, which is advocacy, into media jockeying. Even if it was the case that she was misled, it is the abuse of office for which I hope for her own sake that Genevieve resigns on her own accord.

    This ship has sailed, and it’s time to do the right thing and move on. What opportunities you will have in the future will depend on how you address this circumstance now.

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  30. I wrote a thing on my blog about people’s eagerness to judge without having the full facts at hand. I’d be grateful if you checked it out, especially Houston Barakat and others who have been particularly critical of Rebekah, Jennie and Genevieve Fowler on these pages.

    http://jdanspsawyksui.com/2012/04/25/the-eagerness-to-judge-or-one-of-my-friends-is-gay

    Cheers.

    Excuse me for plugging this here too, but what the hell, I’d like people to read it.

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    • It would have been nice [as someone has pointed out] if your blog post hadn’t ignored facts that had been printed

      My blog has run summaries on media reports of the incident

      I also feel it was misleading to publish

      “The language adopted by many in the gay and lesbian community in Wellington was particularly bitter as they felt the episode would reflect poorly on them as a whole — for example, the popular gay issues website Aaron and Andy.”

      As it the ‘language’ and ‘bitter’ behavior seems to have come from the comment section not this site – a classic case of wording something to use facts ti boost your side of the story [not unlike another ‘popular’ website]

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    • Aaron and Andy says:

      Do you not think that perhaps you’re just as biased, being Rebekah’s friend and all, Barns?

      The CCTV footage, as reported, shows that the story told by Rebekah is stretched to put it lightly. Rebekah said they just kissed once and were thrown out — turns out they were kissing and hugging for 25 minutes before being asked to leave. Rebekah said the security guard was watching them closely all night — the video shows the same staff member going about his business and not offering any attention to the pair while they were kissing and hugging.

      They may have had good intentions, but in the end this pair have stretched the truth for an idealogical cause that they have ultimately damaged, in my opinion.

      I think you are largely seeing the pair through rose-tinted glasses because of your connection with Rebekah, and it might help you to stand back and try to look at the situation more objectively.

    • Nowhere have I been critical of the couple. Even though parts of their story don’t match up with the observations of the CCTV footage; even though they were wrong in going to the media before seeking mediation; even though they apparently ‘never expected’ that posting an open letter to the Human Rights Commission would get much attention from the media or gay community; and even though that letter was posted publically on the Uni Q page, a Uni Q chapter that has one of the highest membership rates of any Uni Q chapter based in the city that is the capital city of politics and therefore has a higher than average media concentration, even though they seemed so eager to be featured in the Dominion Post, national news and national newspapers to the effect that they accepted the services of a fucking publicity manager to arrange their meetings and interviews, and even though they withdrew their HRC complaint mere hours after CCTV footage surfaced, saying Oh, we never thought it would get this big, we don’t want to drag this on….

      Even though I won’t give those girls concessions for all of the above, nowhere have I condemned their characters, called them liars or said they’re sluts.

      My reasoning is this:

      I can’t condemn their character as I don’t know them. The same reason I’ve not judged the character of Miss Fowler; just the terrible calls and advice she’s given these girls as a supposedly intelligent representative of the entire queer community at Victoria University.

      I’ve not called them liars because of the possibility that, given the time in which they’re recalling their experiences and the availability and inclusion of alcohol throughout the five hours they were at the bar, it’s entirely likely that, through drowsiness, drunkenness or a combination of the two, they read the bouncers body language wrong or recalled one or two sentences incorrectly. By this stage they could have honestly believed what they were saying whether it was true or not.

      I’ve also not called them sluts, butch dykes or abominations because, well, I’m an adult.

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    • Your blog post is also full of far too many unfounded assumptions, sweeping generalizations and massive calls that seem to be based purely from your relationship with these girls.

      For you to say that there was a “willingness, even eagerness to judge the couple as liars…started well before the CCTV footage was released” shows that you mustn’t have followed this whole sorry saga at all. The comments against this couple, if there were any, would have been outnumbered at LEAST 100:1. In fact the only article I found to be critical of this situation, which was critical of the willingness to jump on the bandwagon and not the girls themselves, was the one that I wrote. No critical posts on GayNZ.com. No critical posts on the Public page calling them liars, bar a few trolls who were urging them to make videos instead etc. None on the official UniQ page calling for Miss Galbraiths blood.

      You know who these posters were unfairly bullying? PUBLIC. Who have been proven to have done nothing fucking wrong. Where’s your blog post showing your support for them? Where’s your post saying “Public can get on with their lives in peace and put this behind them as they’ve done nothing wrong?” like you did for these girls? You think being branded “an attention-seeking liar is about as bad as it can get”? What about being branded a discriminated, hate-mongering homophobe – by 2000 strangers on national media? What about those urging caution being called gay traitors as I was?

      For you to then suspect and assert that I wrote what I did because of a combination of the “remove of social media to write off a person’s character” (show me the part where I write off the girls’ character) or because “one of New Zealand’s biggest news outlets ultimately took Publics side” (I’m based in Melbourne and don’t watch NZ television nor follow its news) or, most offensively and grotesquely, I’m critical because I may have “a more insidious number of deep-lying prejudices against women, youth and homosexuals” absolutely outrages me.

      I’m a 21 year old homosexual Maori from Lebanon raised on welfare you fuck. How fucking dare you claim that I encouraged debate, discussion and sense because I have “deep-lying prejudices against women, youth and homosexuals”!!!!!

      The only reason I haven’t deconstructed, picked apart and prodded aside the rest of your blog is because I’m writing this on an iPhone (as I have all my other comments and articles) and don’t have the time or patience to reason with someone who accuses me, and everybody else who originally encouraged proper and sensible judgment, of misogyny, ageism and homophobia.

      The only thing on there that I can’t seem to disagree with is your opening admission that you’re friends with Miss Galbraith. I’m glad at least one indisputable fact made it onto that judgmental and ill-conceived mess you call a blog. You should read my piece on the importance of balance and perspective, you might learn something.

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      • I withdraw my suggestion that Houston Barakat was critical of the couple before he posted the above comments. Also, my blog post was not directed solely at Houston Barakat and I do not in any way suggest that he in particular bears the prejudices I discussed.

        The purpose of sharing it here was to provide an opposing view to that espoused on these pages, and I stand by what I’ve written. Please accept my apologies if it caused offence to you personally.

        It is frustrating that you’ve abused me in your comments, but there isn’t much I can do about that. You’re more than welcome to deconstruct, pick apart and prod aside the rest of my blog if you want to.

        [I feel that it’s great you announced your conflict of interest at the beginning of your piece, because most readers will understand how it colours your perceptions of the situation. But good on you for being honest.]

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        • Anonymous says:

          stfu about your self importance reeking blog, no one gives a shit what u have to say

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  31. Sebastian says:

    How about we all hug and get on with our lives? 🙂

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    • Aaron and Andy says:

      Once an apology is issued, at least from the Queer Officer, I think we can all move on. You reckon? 🙂

      • Agreed.

        The longer she leaves it, the worse its going to get – this isn’t the kind of situation that blows over.

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  32. Trixie is a [...] says:

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  33. Genevieve FOULer says:
  34. And They Ask Why Im Leaving... says:

    Okay so this issue has opened up cans of worms that should be thrown out.

    1) Two, young lesbians whom are probably still dealing with their sexuality saw an opportunity to get public support and acceptance and abused it. They mislead media, they mislead the community and they should be held accountable for their part in this.

    2) They are not the only people to blame here, as soon as this story was published several members of the GBLTXYZ party abused an opportunity to jump on the gay rights and equality bandwagon. They abused staff, business and other members of their own community.

    3) We are all fortunate to live in an environment where we can freely express our views, our opinions and have free speech. With Facebook and other social media this has become easier, and more powerful than ever before. But if Spiderman taught as anything it was that “with great power comes great responsibility” we are all responsible for what we post on social media in the same way that we are all responsible for what we say out loud.

    4) The safety net of typing on a screen and clicking send does not make the words less powerful, word of mouth is the single most powerful form of marketing, be it positive or negative. In this case incredibly {Public} suffered a great deal of negative marketing, on their facebook profile and from the media portraying them as homophobic.

    5) The GLBTXYZ community also suffered negative marketing, especially now that the who incident has been proven to be a farce. It has come across as being quick to judge without out all the facts. Obnoxious, aggressive, over defensive, bias and narrow minded. Yet, this should be the exact opposite of what ANY community should behave. Community is about embracing differences, tolerance, turning the other cheek and a sense of togetherness. Be it the Gay community, the Wellington Community, the Student Community or whatever.

    6) How can we expect others to be tolerance and accepting if we dont do the same. The backlash in these forums and these articles has been, in my mind, disgraceful. Unnecessary personal attacks, threats and name calling. Is this really what we want? We all seek to feel unique but we don’t want to be alone.

    7) While I have, in the past, disagreed with many of the articles on this site. and to the approach that much of the community takes to their sexuality I would never say that they are outright wrong for doing so. Personally I do not feel the need to distinguish myself, where I go, what I wear, what I listen to etc based on my sexuality. Sure if people ask or need to know then I tell them that “Chicks dont ‘do it’ for me” or whatever term i may use. I am not saying that those who love Madona, dress in drag and call each other “girl” are in any way inferior, so long as its genuinely who they are. We have moved on from the times where we have to make a point.

    8)This site has handled this issue very very well. Well Done Aaron and Andy; for the first time in years I have that those near the top of the homo hierarchy have the best intentions for community. They have provided a fair n balance point and allowed others to express theirs.

    Good work, and to all, be humble, be open minded, be strong, be genuine, and lead by example for a stronger union of people aka community.

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    • Hey, you’ve gone critically wrong with your first point:

      “1) Two, young lesbians whom are probably still dealing with their sexuality saw an opportunity to get public support and acceptance and abused it. They mislead media, they mislead the community and they should be held accountable for their part in this.”

      Read the following carefully:
      But Rebekah Galbraith tells Aaron and Andy.com that she stands by Fowler as Queer Officer and doesn’t want to see her resign. “Her response, from early Monday morning, has been nothing short of incredible. As Queer Officer at Victoria, she contacted me and offered her support, acting above and beyond her role for my girlfriend and I. I will be standing by Fowler’s actions, and I am proud to have her as the queer representative on the Victoria University Students’ Association.”

      Genevieve Fowler contacted the girls…. not the other way around. This is the abject crux of the issue – she went beyond advocacy and providing support when support is requested into Media Jockeying for whatever purposes she had in mind.

      This is where everything went wrong.

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      • And They Ask Why Im Leaving... says:

        But even before it got that far, something must have led Fowler to contact the girls in the first place. If we go right back to the start the girls would have known from the very beginning that there was more to it than a simple kiss. And even without that, they were incredibly quick to start accusations of homophobia before anyone else got involved at all. The girls first reaction was “this is is because im a lesbian, lets make a pont of it”. At least, thats how it appears. If they were approached by Fowler but told her from the start the truth then the approach Fowler took may have been different. Whom approached whom wasn’t my point with that statement, The girls still chose to go ahead, they still chose to go to Facebook and the media, weather pushed or not, it was their choice.

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        • As far as what has been actively quoted, it was a catty remark on facebook from which Fowler twitched her tail and pounced.

          The girls had no idea what they were doing, and I fully believe that they were caught up in someone else viewing the situation as an opportunity. You have to ask the question of what was in it for Ms Fowler, who has such amazing publicity pictures? My money is that she was dying for a chance to splay herself in front of the media spotlight.

          I believe the responsibility for this whole farce falls right at her doorstep. She was in a position of authority and responsibility. She should have known better, and when the dust has settled, it is clear that she has been found wanting.

          Personally, I don’t believe she’s got the integrity to come forward. Which is a pity, because these are the things that the collective community doesn’t forget. She’s let something small take on a life of it’s own through her silence.

          Sigh.

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    • Aaron and Andy says:

      Thank you so much for your analysis, and we really appreciate your sentiment about our coverage of this issue.

      • Futhermore, I think Aaron and Andy have done a good job covering this.

        Good job guys. You’ve got the most active GLBTI website in the country (Gaynz.com doesn’t count anymore) and it isn’t because of your scandal stories. Keep up the good work.

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  35. MindyKaling says:

    Ayn Rand is really just Genevieve under a hipster pseudonym

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  36. Help me find a poem please says:

    Can any of you please link me or provide me with the words for the 2008 poem ‘Insomnia’ by Genevieve Fowler? The poem was authored whilst she attended Christchurch Girls and the poem received wide spread acclaim including acclaim from Victoria Uni.

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  37. Anonymous says:

    I know your type Gen, Your type comes and goes, if it was the mid 90’s you’d be sitting around with your friends with dred locked hair all looking and listening to 4 non blondes, you’re such such a social rebel Gen, you’re going to change the world! Your type come and go, time for you to go Gen you’ve achieved nothing. NOTHING! when you are 40 something you’re just going to be another white middle class oppressor. Stop using political issues as a guise for self furthermost and attention you sociopath, I have you worked out Gen.

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  38. Disgruntled Queer says:

    I have just written to “Salient” outlining my desire for Ms. Fowler to resign.

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